Posts by Closer to Fine

publication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.

it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.

yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.

Closer to Fine

Pretty please, Karma .... please kick in and bite them in the ass!!

Please make them pay for what they have done to all of those kids!

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Outside JW World They Barely Exist

by Farmer Jim1 in

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is anyone else staggered by the fact that outside of the organization most of the general public seem to know very little or nothing about jw’s?

when i was in i was led to believe that 99% of the worlds population had been giving sufficient warning, knew what it was all about and were stubbornly sticking to their immoral ways.

the reality seems to be that the entire jw universe is barely noticeable to the masses.

Closer to Fine

I think most would say the top 3 things they know about jws are;

They go door to door preaching
They tell you the end is coming any day now
They think holidays are bad

I don't think the average person knows much more about them than that.

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It's been a GREAT week for me!

by dubstepped in

so as some of you know i have a podcast called this jw life.

i put my story out there in 9 parts, and i've had lots of great experiences so far and met lots of nice people and i've made new internet friends, even some in person.

this last seven days though has been soooooo cool!.

Closer to Fine

I'm so glad your podcasts are reaching such a large audience and you're helping people. I've listened to them as well and I appreciate all your efforts putting them together. It must be very rewarding to have people that are still stuck in this cult contact you to let you know how you have helped them. It does indeed sound like you've had a great week!!

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JC letter of invitation. Do they always get signed?

by StarTrekAngel in

i was just shown a jc letter from a friend and i noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders.

the letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "judicial committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.. i am asking because i remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their jc be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do.

since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no dfing ever happened.

Closer to Fine

@Anony Mous and Freddo - Thank you for answering my questions and offering the detailed explanations. I appreciate your posts very much

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JC letter of invitation. Do they always get signed?

by StarTrekAngel in

i was just shown a jc letter from a friend and i noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders.

the letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "judicial committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.. i am asking because i remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their jc be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do.

since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no dfing ever happened.

Closer to Fine

Steve2 - I suspect one of both of the spouses did not have Biblical grounds (i.e., adultery) for divorcing a previous marital partner and have/has now remarried when they shouldn't have.

I'm curious. What is likely to happen if this is the situation? If they're already remarried legally, are the elders going to df them and consider it adultery for getting remarried? Please forgive my ignorance. I'm not a jw.

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Dietary Quirks Among JWs

by millie210 in

i recently had to accompany an older family member out of state to a family reunion.

it was a big reunion and not much was overtly made of the fact that i am "misguided" and not attending meetings (lost soul that i am) which was nice.

the thing i noticed that i was most struck by was all the dietary quirks in evidence during our 3 days together.

Closer to Fine

Hi Millie - yes definite differences in how they view their own spirituality. The jws that refuse the drs are very suspicious of non jws. They keep themselves as separate as possible from satans world (however they accept $ from the government when they're able to qualify). They are self empIoyed and work from home, they home school and they have very little contact with non jws. They are the most judgmental and consider themselves quite holy. I'm not a jw so I don't have to worry about it, but others in the family don't dare let their guard down around them. They have turned family members into the elders in the past and no one trusts them.

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Dietary Quirks Among JWs

by millie210 in

i recently had to accompany an older family member out of state to a family reunion.

it was a big reunion and not much was overtly made of the fact that i am "misguided" and not attending meetings (lost soul that i am) which was nice.

the thing i noticed that i was most struck by was all the dietary quirks in evidence during our 3 days together.

Closer to Fine

It's interesting. In my jw side of the family there are both. Some are all organic, no gluten, no dies, no chemicals, no vaccines, no medications, and no doctors (some of them no dr. even during childbirth). They don't avoid these items due to allergies. It's more of a distrust of worldly drs and food companies. Others from the same family love junk food. Lots of soda, sugar, white flour, booze, and lots of meds from doctors. I think for them they truly believe the big A will be here before they die so why not have 6 doughnuts for breakfast?

All that being said, I don't think it's unusual to find this in non jw families as well.

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It's Going Down: The Family Is About to Go to War Over... Halloween Decorations.

by Sorry in

yup, you read right.

despite other personal turmoil that needs to be addressed, my family has decided to go nuts over halloween decorations being "too close" to our yard.

a new family just moved in next door; their kids are super young.

Closer to Fine

So they're worried about what other witnesses will think. It's all about appearances isn't it? If any jw was to drive by and see the two houses, I'm sure they would realize it's the neighbors decorations and not their fellow jws.

The HOA will most likely do nothing about it. It is just one person trying to push their religious beliefs on another. If the box really is on both properties, at the most all they can say is 'don't decorate the box please'.